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Against All Odds: Rachel LeMaster’s Journey of Survival and Faith

[00:00:00] Welcome to the Unshakable whole podcast, where real life intersects redeeming love. I’m Kelly Hall, and this is where we wrestle through faith questions such as, how do I trust God’s heart when his ways and delays are breaking mind? We’ll hear from people just like you and me who have experienced God’s faithfulness when life didn’t unfold as they expected my prayers, that God would renew our hope and his word and his love through these conversations.

Kelly: Hey friends. Get ready to have your faith grow exponentially. This story I’m bringing you today is one that made national news as well as global news. My guest also appeared on the Katie Couric Show and the Today Show.

Kelly: The Today Show episode can still be viewed, and you can view that on Rachel’s website. So let me tell you a little bit about my [00:01:00] guest. Rachel LeMaster was born and raised in Colorado. The youngest of seven children, her parents were told they couldn’t have kids, so they adopted six.

Kelly: Then God surprised them with the beautiful gift of Rachel. She was born with Turner Syndrome, which she’ll explain, but wasn’t diagnosed until she was 14. She moved to Arizona for college, received a golfing scholarship. She worked as a personal trainer and was going to school to be a physical therapy assistant.

Kelly: In 2011, a truck T-boned her car in an accident that almost took her life. Miraculously, Rachel did survive, but her injuries were severe and she was in critical condition. She had multiple serious internal injuries, a severe traumatic brain injury, and what the doctors call an internal decapitation, today.

Kelly: Rachel is back in Colorado. She is the host of the [00:02:00] Authentically Rachel Podcast, and she’s been married to her husband Caleb for about nine years. Rachel, welcome to the show. Thanks.

Rachel: Thanks. It’s great to be here. What a, what a fun experience

Kelly: This is. I am so thankful that I’ve gotten to know you. We were introduced through our mutual friend Beth Wall, who has been on my podcast a couple of times, and you’ve had her on your podcast.

Kelly: And Rachel, even though I know Beth’s story, I listened to the whole episode. I was so encouraged. You did a fabulous job. I love your questions. She’s

Rachel: awesome.

Kelly: So much

Rachel: insight from Beth.

Kelly: Yeah. She’s got a lot of biblical wisdom, such a wonderful Bible teacher. And she applies everything that she teaches.

Kelly: Yeah, she

Rachel: does. I didn’t know her until I started dating my husband and we went to [00:03:00] her church. I ended up. Seeing what happened to her son, and getting to know her she really made an impact on my life and just her kindness and her goodness.

Kelly: Yes. Yes. So, for my listeners, if you don’t remember listening to this episode from Beth, her son took his life. He died of suicide, and she has such a powerful, beautiful story of how God met them with his goodness in the middle of that. Mm-hmm. Rachel, before we get into the questions, just to answer a question that some of our listeners might have, I’ll have you define internal decapitation and what that means.

 

Rachel: So. The internal decapitation is exactly what Christopher Reeve’s, Superman, his injury [00:04:00] was, however, my spinal cord was intact. So my head, your head sits kind of on top of your spine. My head just popped off and came forward.

Kelly: Okay,

Rachel: so it was disassociated, dislocated from the rest of my body. What was holding it on was the muscles and tendons, all these soft tissue,

Rachel: but the major strongest ligaments that you have , in your body tore off. And what’s miraculous about my circumstance is people not only do not survive. But the rest have significant neurological impairments.

Kelly: Yes, meaning

Rachel: quadriplegia [00:05:00] or brain injury. And I do have a severe traumatic brain injury.

Rachel: My brain was shook like an egg, and it tore off the axons and it’s hemorrhage and bled and all that good stuff. So I was in a coma for a month. And then I slowly came out of that and slowly regained the ability to walk

Kelly: Yes. And

Rachel: talk.

Kelly: Yeah. You had to relearn everything. And I wanna get to that,

Kelly: rachel, I was so surprised to learn that you grew up with six siblings that were adopted, and you were the youngest, as I mentioned, but your dad did something that was really special and he did it just for you.

Kelly: Would you describe what was involved in that?

Rachel: [00:06:00] So my parents. Adopted six siblings five siblings before me. When we adopted the sixth sibling, my dad was an adoption attorney and he knew the judge. And so he took the judge aside and said, would you do a fake adoption for my daughter? So I was really small and I remember standing in front of the judge she had a, a magic wand and she asked me, do you wanna be part of this family?

Rachel: And all those questions that. Older sister had just gotten asked, so I felt like I was one of them. ’cause adopted [00:07:00] kids, rightfully so. Always get you belong. We chose you, we love you. And I just felt like at the early stage, I was just born into this family. Like, , why do they get all this? And I just, I don’t get a special thing.

Rachel: And my dad did that for me. And I’m, I so grateful for that experience because everyone needs to feel valued.

Kelly: Yes. And

Rachel: not that I didn’t feel valued. I I did. But that was just an extra fun, special thing my dad did.

Kelly: Yeah. Because in some ways you felt a little bit left out. They had an experience that you didn’t get to have. Yes.

Rachel: I’m grateful for all my siblings, for everything that I’ve learned. My sisters [00:08:00] are 10 plus years older than me and my brothers are four or five. Even 19 years older than me.

Rachel: So seeing them grow up, they, they were role models.

Kelly: I love that. Very cool. Well, you were diagnosed with a rare genetic disorder called Turner Syndrome. I’d love for you to just describe what that means.

Rachel: Turner Syndrome is a chromosomal condition that affects one in every twenty five hundred births. And research states that only 2% survived gestation. Wow. It’s a complete or partial deletion of the second X chromosome that causes a. Plethora of complications, short stature, non-functioning [00:09:00] ovaries, which cause lack of puberty, kidney, and cardiac issues bone loss. So I’ve had several broken bones hearing loss, reoccurring middle ear infections and educational difficulties.

Rachel: I’m not able to have kids due to my non-functioning ovaries. I always grew up knowing that God sees me and God cares. So when I was dealing with that fact that I didn’t have ovaries and I was going through that puberty stage I just needed to keep reminding myself, God knows, God sees me.

Rachel: God created me with this, and he’ll get me [00:10:00] through it. I’ve had friends suffer with, cardiac problems. And I have to go in and get tested and for all those things.

Kelly: Well, Rachel, when you were growing up, did this because you were small, did that cause any bullying or rejection, what was that like for you and what did that do to your identity just now? You talked about the fact that you knew God was with you, but can you share that struggle and how God met you? So.

Rachel: Without growth hormone, I was fully grown bone wise and at four feet six. So I was incredibly short and underdeveloped. So when my peers were interested in, homemaking or boys, I just [00:11:00] wanted to go play in rock forts and ride bikes. That question of what’s your identity really had always been a part of my young life.

Rachel: Having all that bullying, I remember being bullied out of. Fifth grade and sixth grade and having to homeschool . And then in eighth grade, I was bullied out, but I went back to school in ninth. And I remember we had a big school-wide assembly. This school was amazing and I will forever be grateful for the education I had.

Rachel: But the principal during this assembly said, Rachel Bailey, my maiden name, has been bullied. And he pointed me out [00:12:00] in front of the whole assembly. So. With that as a target on my back. I never had prom dates or anything like that, but God was with me during that time and I just wanted to serve God.

Rachel: So I got involved with Operation Christmas Child and I was able to go and deliver those boxes in Costa Rica, that just totally changed my life and set me on a path where I felt like God’s saying, you need to serve me. That’s what you’re called to do. So. I met Franklin Graham, and I just really felt like my call [00:13:00] was to be a missionary.

Rachel: One thing that really helped me get through the trauma of being bullied. Was I got into golf my junior year of high school. I was sitting in chemistry class, bored as all get out, so I raised my hand and said I had to go to the bathroom. So I left and I went and I signed up for the women’s golf team. Well, that sent me on a path of wanting to be a professional golfer.

Kelly: Wow.

Rachel: I made it to state my senior year and got a golf scholarship in Arizona, and because of the altitude difference, my game just was horrible. So I thought I wanna beat those two girls who are the number one [00:14:00] and number two of the Scottsdale team. So going into the last tournament, I beat them and made it to nationals.

Kelly: Wow.

Rachel: That’s astounding. So that’s

Kelly: my, that’s my golf story. I love how God met you in a place where you could have given up on people and been bitter. You could have given up on God, but God just kept speaking purpose over you. Like, my purpose is so much greater than what you’re experiencing. I have so much more for you.

Kelly: And I think the way he poured his love and attention over you helped heal your heart. And then he just showed you a path that was uniquely just for you, and you were able to experience success. I love that so

Rachel: much. So I got into that success and my confidence grew.

Kelly: Yeah.

Rachel: And then I got into physical therapy and I got into [00:15:00] personal training, and the second week of class is when the truck

Kelly: hit me. Wow. The second week of class.

Kelly: So you’re so excited about this new path you’re going to school, and then that catastrophic accident happened. You miraculously survived. But can you please describe what happened?

Rachel: So, I was working at a golf course. I was working as a personal trainer and I was going to school for physical therapy assistant.

Rachel: As I was pulling out to go to work one day, a truck broadsided me crunching my car in, I went through six lanes of traffic up and over, a curve onto a hill, my spleen was ruptured or cracked. My heart and [00:16:00] lung were bruised. My clavicle was dislocated.

Rachel: My brain shook like an egg I was immediately in a coma and it gave me an internal decapitation, which is that separation of your head from your spine as well as broken bones. Yes. In my neck. Wow.

Kelly: Well, I know they had to cut you out of the car. They raised you to a trauma center,

Rachel: so they couldn’t cut me out of the car.

Rachel: No, because it was so severely dented that by God’s sovereignty. man happened to be working that day, he was big and buff, and he ripped the door off the hinges

Kelly: unbelievable

Rachel: if they had waited for Jaws of life, I would be dead.

Rachel: [00:17:00] Wow.

Kelly: Oh my gosh. What a miracle. I didn’t know that story. Well, they took you to the hospital, you were in a coma, your body just shut down. What do you remember from the time in the coma?

Rachel: So, I remember being held in such peace during the whole hospital time.

Rachel: Wow. I, I just remember the presence of God people were praying all over the world. One story is I had a nurse who came. In my ICU, she had me for 12 nights straight, and every night this nurse would come. She would sing hymns in her native tongue, which is Nigerian. When I went back to thank her [00:18:00] for helping, she said, Rachel, do you remember this song?

Rachel: A wave of God’s peace just instantly came over me. I don’t remember the words of that song, but I remember the presence of being in God’s peace. The Bible says that God is there with us in our struggles, and I can testify firsthand that God is with you in your struggles. You may not feel it like I did, but he is there.

Rachel: I can a hundred percent unequivocally state that God was there. People can go and say, were you in heaven I don’t remember that, [00:19:00] but I remember the peace. Yeah. Just like God was with me growing up through all that bullying, he was there with me. In the darkest time of my life when I was in a coma and not moving my heart rate, my mom said would go to 2 40.

Rachel: My body temperature wasn’t sustained, so I had to lay on a cooling bed. I was fully paralyzed, but God was with me. He was there and he was with my mom. He was with my dad, he was with my siblings. He was with those praying for me. , My mom says when I went in for the surgery to fix my neck, that took them.

Rachel: Four days to diagnose [00:20:00] because it’s so rare. So my neck was unprotected for four days. Wow. And because of the spleen rupture, I was internally bleeding. I had to have 25 bags of blood and plasma. I was not able to lay on my stomach for that time ’cause they had just cut open and done the abdominal exploratory.

Rachel: So six days went and then they were able to do my neck fusion. My mom said they had moved my bed that morning and the sun was shining down. On me and she said it’s like the sun, the SON shining down on Rachel.

Kelly: Yeah.

Rachel: So little things like that. Little

Kelly: [00:21:00] things like your spinal cord not being impacted, even though your neck was unprotected for four days after six, six days, six days

Rachel: because they diagnosed it, but couldn’t do anything about it.

Rachel: Wow.

Kelly: That is unbelievable. I just praise God. And I just wanna spend a moment talking about the prayer that was happening in your room that was happening all over the globe impacted you tremendously. Like when we hear about people and we feel prompted to pray, maybe we don’t know them.

Kelly: Maybe we think my prayer doesn’t matter, but that just proves how impactful our prayers are because you, the Lord just responded in such a powerful way. Your mom talks about how she felt his peace throughout this whole thing. That is such a miracle. People will talk about the miracle of healing, but I think experiencing God’s peace in such a [00:22:00] traumatic experience is a tremendous miracle.

Rachel: As Christians, there’s that debate. Does healing work in this life? Can you pray over someone in that healing work? But I think yes, sometimes he gives that healing. Absolutely. But what’s more important is the internal connection with Jesus. Yes. People like Joni Erickson, Tada have been prayed for, and healing has been asked, and it didn’t happen with her, but the impact that she has for Christ is far greater than what she would’ve had if she hadn’t been hurt and if she had gotten better.

Rachel: So I feel like in every [00:23:00] circumstance we are called to point to Jesus. And even if we are not healed, even if we. Don’t have the things that we want. We are called to point to Jesus. Yes, we are called to say, no matter what circumstance I’m in, God is with me. Just like I was telling you earlier in the Old Testament, you have Shadrach, me, Shaq, and AB Bendigo, and they’re thrown in that fire and there was a fourth person, well that was Jesus.

Rachel: He’s there in the middle of everything just like Peter in the New Testament during that storm walking on water, he was. If he hadn’t looked at Jesus, he would’ve drowned. But it was the looking at [00:24:00] Jesus and seeing that he was there with him in that circumstance, he was in that peace. You know, the fire didn’t hurt Shadrach, me, Shaq and ab Bendigo.

Rachel: It didn’t consume them, but they were able to point to Jesus.

Kelly: Yeah. Absolutely. That’s so good. They didn’t even smell of smoke. What a testimony that is. It was to all the people there, present to the King Nebuchadnezzar, who saw it to us today, who read about it. And I love that. In the story of Peter, immediately when he cried out, Jesus was right there pulling him out of the water.

Kelly: He protected him. He rescued him. I love that you talked about Johnny Erickson. Todd, you were just on the Johnny and Friends episodes. You and then you and Caleb were on there. Such good episodes. [00:25:00] But story of Johnny Erickson, who is paralyzed at the age of 16, has impacted me so deeply in our long and hard story because she’s continued to just draw close to the Lord and rely on him.

Kelly: In the hardest places in life. , I remember people praying over her like, I don’t know, 20 years after this happened. They would say, we’re gonna pray for your healing. And she would say, okay, but can you really pray for my heart that I would learn to be content and not be angry?

Kelly: The healing that God does inside of us is so tremendous. That’s a miracle when we can be content in those hard places and rely on him.

Rachel: And I believe that one of the things, because of Turner’s syndrome, I was not insured. So when my accident happened, I wasn’t insured. And that first [00:26:00] year after I had very little therapy going on and that was the hardest time in my life because it was just me and my parents and I couldn’t walk.

Rachel: Like I could hardly walk. But friends, they come around you at the beginning, but then they kind of, okay, you’re not gonna get better. So they kind of back off ’cause you’re not there in their circle. So the hardest thing for me to learn was contentment. Mm-hmm. I love that you brought that up because. I believe it’s Paul writing.

Rachel: He wrote about contentment and he says, in everything, be content. And I learned that [00:27:00] one of my favorite sayings is to live is to give. So if we’re not giving out of our lack or giving out of our abundance, we’re not living. And that brings contentment. When you’re able to pour yourself out, your testimony out, your stories out, then not only are you holding back

Rachel: the stories that God’s taught you to others, but you are holding back the lessons that

Rachel: he’s taught you to learn this is what God’s taught me during this time. Yeah.

Kelly: And now you’re getting to share that with other people. With the comfort you received, you’re able to share those stories with others. I wanna get back to a previous question. So [00:28:00] I think I heard this story, but I’m curious, what was your first memory when you woke up out of the coma?

Rachel: So waking up out of the coma, you don’t just wake up and go, where am I? I’m hungry. , What day is it? It’s a slow, slow, agonizing process. One of my first memories was with my mom standing over my bedside saying, you’ve been in an accident. You’ve been hurt, but mommy’s here.

Rachel: Mommy’s got you. Because of the trach that I had, I couldn’t speak. So I asked to write. When you’re writing and your brain is all dis. Mbo, you write extra ease and extra teas and all that.

Kelly: Yeah. So

Rachel: in [00:29:00] chicken scratch I wrote was no accident. Have faith, God knows.

Rachel: . wow.

Kelly: So powerful. What a precious gift from God to your mom at that moment

I can say it’s been 14 years ago and September that. It wasn’t an accident. It’s not an accident that I was born with Turner Syndrome. It wasn’t an accident that I had to spend two years rehabbing. It wasn’t an accident that all these horrible things happened, but God knows and to point to him.

Rachel: That’s the lesson that I think I and your listeners can take away from hearing my [00:30:00] story is that God knows and he’s right there.

Kelly: Yeah. That is so powerful. Tell me once again what you wrote in your chicken scratch on your little whiteboard. Was

Rachel: no accident. Have faith to do well is gain. God knows.

Kelly: Wow, thank you God for that message through you, through his spirit. That was a miracle because like you said, your brain was so scrambled and to be able to translate thoughts into writing, that’s a tremendous

Rachel: thing. When you are coming out of your coma, they ask you questions like, do rocks float or does this cow go with this barn?

Rachel: Does this toothpaste go with this toothbrush? And whenever it came to [00:31:00] do rocks float, I always said, yes, they do. Rocks float a hundred percent. So that’s how scrambled my brain was. Right. But the Holy Spirit gave that to me and my mom. And I feel like that God knows, have faith is for everyone.

Kelly: Absolutely.

Kelly: Yes. Well, doctors were in awe of your survival. Many of them thought you wouldn’t make it. And you had so many medical complications, Rachel, that even from day to day, you almost died many times. So how do you explain how God met you in that place? You’ve talked about it so much, but what else would you say about that?

Rachel: I would say God met me, not only. In my lack, [00:32:00] but he met me in the abundance that I did survive. I, I was able, ’cause when you’re in the hospital, you get hospital acquired things. So I had hospital acquired pneumonia, hospital acquired MRSA and because it takes so long for nurses sometimes to get to you I did nearly almost die several times being on the ventilator so.

Rachel: I was saying, God meets you in your lack and he meets you in your abundance. So the fact that I was able to pull through those situations, he met me in my abundance of having come through [00:33:00] that time.

Kelly: Yeah, well, I have a couple more questions for you. I know the rehab took a long time, but you came home with a severe TBI and of course your brain is still injured, although you have recovered so much.

Kelly: But can you explain what your struggles are today?

Rachel: My first year of rehab, it was NI wouldn’t say total non-existent, but it wasn’t a whole lot. It wasn’t what I needed. And so my second year, God allowed the accident to happen in a state. That rehab is just incredible. The Arizona, the rehab that you can receive through vocational rehab is. Outstanding.

Rachel: And so I got into a [00:34:00] program at Barrow Neurological where they tested my brain for seven days straight eight hours a day, just pummeling it. And they gave me this graph, this bell graph, and all my processing speed and verbal learning memory and visual spatial memory and my executive function are all on the very severe to low average.

Rachel: So. Basically, I shouldn’t be doing this. I shouldn’t be talking. My vocal cord was paralyzed in my accident.

Kelly: Wow. And

Rachel: so I had to go to [00:35:00] Mayo Clinic where I got speech therapy to train me how to speak. So everything that I’m doing now, God has helped me learn. I can drive, but it’s very, very limited. One of the questions that got brought up in meeting my husband, which we’ll get into, but is kids. With my injury, I think I would not be able to take care of little kids running around. I would be distracted, I would not be focused. So all those things have impacted, and when you have a brain injury, it heals through neuropathways, [00:36:00] yes.

Rachel: So the part of my brain that got hurt will always be hurt and damaged. So. I have to be aware of what I can and cannot do, and focus on what I can do.

Kelly: Yeah, so parts of your brain recovered, but then parts are damaged permanently. You have a TBI, and that’s what you will have for the rest of your life, but you have coping strategies that you’ve learned.

Kelly: It’s so unbelievably miraculous that you were able to walk even the next year when you were on the Katie Keg Show and the Today Show. I think you actually walked on stage even though your accident was in 2011. I find that unbelievable.

Rachel: So walking on stage to the Katie Kirk show,

Rachel: We were standing backstage and her producer right before the countdown happened, he [00:37:00] said, give me those glasses

Rachel: because another problem with my brain injury is I have double vision. . So I had to walk on Katie Kirk not being able to see where the cords were or anything like that. I was completely blind. But I think that helped me not be so nervous.

Rachel: I walked on and God did a miracle.

Kelly: Yeah. Did you have a walker or a cane or anything?

Rachel: I have a video that I just posted me sitting up for the first time.

Kelly: Yes.

Rachel: And then from there it took another couple of weeks and then I could do a walker and then from there a cane to, walking on my own two feet to, I climbed [00:38:00] two fourteeners since I’ve been married. Wow. So

Kelly: unbelievable. And your double vision that has cleared up?

Rachel: No. So, I can wear contacts because my brain somehow blocks out one of the sides of what I’m seeing. So sometimes if I’m really tired I’ll put on glasses.

Rachel: But today’s a good day,

Kelly: all right. That’s awesome. Well, God orchestrated a beautiful meetup with your husband. I love how he did this. Can you describe that?

Rachel: So because of vocational rehab, they train you to go back to work so

Rachel: right after the Katie Kirk show, I we moved back to Colorado where my [00:39:00] dad’s friend got me a job that was just temporary. And after that, my friend’s friend, said, why don’t you come volunteer for the alliance?

Rachel: So the Christian and Missionary Alliance is a nonprofit organization that raises churches here in the US to send out missionaries and help support them so they don’t need to be worried about support. Right. So I was volunteering there there was a company picnic that day and my husband. Who I didn’t know would be my husband sat down on the bench so I said hi, I’m Rachel.

Rachel: I volunteer in the [00:40:00] archives. What do you do? And he replied, he’s Caleb. He works in the IT department and immediately outta my mouth, because of my traumatic brain injury, I don’t have filters, so immediately outta my mouth. Came, well, my computer will be broken by Monday.

Rachel: And it did. We don’t know how it broke or what happened, but some people say, I broke it unintentionally, but he ended up coming up and because I am no filter, I gave him my number. And three weeks I get a text, do you like ice cream? Well, what woman doesn’t like ice cream? And [00:41:00] from there

Kelly: we got married. Oh, I love that so much. Well, Rachel, in closing, I wonder if you could just for our listeners, just tell us something you know about God now that you didn’t know before the accident, or maybe it’s just something you know more deeply now than you did prior.

Rachel: So I started a podcast called Authentically Rachel, right after I went on Johnny and Friends, the feeling I felt during those two hours was just so palpable and so strong that I felt that I, I need to do this. And so I reached out to the women who interviewed me, and they have [00:42:00] been helping me through this process.

Kelly: Wow.

Rachel: So what I would say, to answer your question, what is God teaching me or how has God taught me? I would say it’s the importance of the body of Christ and the importance of friendship and connections just. Being able to come together with those friends of mine from Johnny and Friends, they’ve really spoken into my life I’ve just grown deeper and deeper in love with God’s word, in love with his , divine orchestration of things and just the power of how

Rachel: he’s orchestrated all these [00:43:00] things to get me to meet up with the women at Johnny and friends who I consider spiritual mentors. I wouldn’t have gotten that otherwise, I wouldn’t have had those friendships that point me to Christ otherwise.

Kelly: So beautiful. Rachel. God has such a call on your life and I love that you have told him yes.

Kelly: You have a lot of courage as you have walked this journey and you’re exercising so much courage to follow him into this new adventure in your life. I am so grateful to him that he has provided you the support system through the women at the Johnny and Friends podcast.

Kelly: You are an inspiration and you’re so good at telling your story and applying God’s word to your heart. I love, I love this story so much. Stories

Rachel: [00:44:00] are what keep us interested. They’re what captivate us as this as a modern society, so. The podcast I started authentically Rachel, which you’re gonna come on, and I cannot wait to share your story.

Rachel: Just their authentic, real stories that point to God’s faithfulness and how God knows, even in the darkest of times he is with you, God knows and he is there. He’s right there with you in the pain, in the muck, in the fire, in the storms. And he is able to give you comfort and peace, I wanna share that it’s become my burning desire to have.

Rachel: [00:45:00] Women come on to share their struggles and their stories in authentic ways that other people who might not know Christ can hear and see through story that there really is a God and no matter what I can trust him.

Kelly: Yes, and that is so much my heart as well. God used stories so much in my journey, even as a teenager, to prepare my heart for walking through hard things.

Kelly: And so that’s why I do this as well, to bring stories to women, to listeners so that they, their hearts can be encouraged through the truth. Like you said, God is faithful. God is worthy of our trust. God is with us. He will never leave us, and he gives us gifts all the time, like the gifts of peace and the gifts of his presence and the gifts [00:46:00] of contentment he builds into us.

Kelly: Mm-hmm. As we open our hearts to that love. Rachel, thank you so much for sharing today. It’s been an honor. Thank you.

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