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A Beautiful War Against Depression: Amanda Scarborough

Amanda: [00:00:00] the Lord just ripped that veil of darkness and I saw the gravity of what I almost did, and I just broke. I knew my husband was about to come home. I laid the baby in the middle of the bed and I just got on the floor and sobbed.

Amanda: And that’s how my husband found me, broken on the floor.

Welcome to the Unshakable hope podcast, where real life intersects redeeming love. I’m Kelly Hall, and this is where we wrestle through faith questions such as, how do I trust God’s heart when his ways and delays are breaking mind? We’ll hear from people just like you and me who have experienced God’s faithfulness when life didn’t unfold as they expected my prayers, that God would renew our hope and his word and his love through these conversations.

Kelly: Hey friends, if you [00:01:00] are someone you love has ever walked through depression, you know how dark and hopeless it can feel. My guest today, Amanda Scarborough, understands this deeply. After the birth of her son, she battled a depression so severe it nearly cost her everything. Amanda’s story reminds us of God’s unconditional love and his power to reach us even in our darkest places.

Kelly: Her journey shared in her book A beautiful War. Finding hope in the darkest moments offers both honesty and hope for anyone struggling or walking alongside someone who is. Lemme tell you a little more about Amanda.

Kelly: She was adopted when she was three days old and grew up on a farm in Louisiana. She is a wife and a mother of four. She’s a business owner and a writer with a heart for encouragement. She’s gonna be sharing her battle through depression [00:02:00] and how the hope of Jesus held her, rescued her, and guided her forward into the light.

Kelly: Amanda, welcome to the show. I’m so glad you’re here.

Amanda: Thank you for having me, Kelly.

Absolutely. Well, Amanda, . I know this is a tough story, but wow, the beautiful ways that God met you, it blows my mind and I know it’s gonna be really beneficial for those who are listening. So the depression you experienced was after the birth of your son, it was such a horrible season. But before we get to that particular day and you explain to us what happened, I’m wondering if you could just tell us what life was like for you and your family of five before all that.

Amanda: Sure. After that season , I was able to look back and realize that even with the birth of my first son, I had a touch of it, like the baby blues, it wasn’t severe or anything, but there’s always that shift after you have a baby, you know? So I was [00:03:00] able to look back and recognize that, oh wow, I did have a little bit of it then but.

Amanda: The season that we were in, whenever I found out I was pregnant, like we were good. We had three kids. Our businesses were thriving, we were starting to travel, and our youngest was eight. And so, I mean, he could fix his own lunch, you know, sleeping through the night. There was no diapers. Like any, we could leave him with a sitter.

Amanda: So. We were just in a place where we were happy and moving along. And out of the blue, I found myself pregnant. And so, I was pretty devastated. It was an immediate mental warfare when I saw the little positive sign on the pregnancy test. Mm-hmm. And that just opened the door for the enemy to come in and throw a party.

Amanda: And so, I didn’t even realize perinatal depression was a thing until after. You know, I had [00:04:00] healed and was able to look back and, have more understanding on depression and postpartum depression but that is something that. Happens while you’re pregnant, that perinatal depression can happen.

Amanda: And then if you’re not aware of it, it can just snowball even worse once you give birth. And that’s what happened. I was already in a dark place and then I had a, a very traumatic delivery. Which with my first son, it was rainbows and butterflies, and this one was not. And so my expectations were shattered.

Amanda: And then, with the trauma of the way the delivery happened, just, it just compounded on what I was already feeling. And so I just ended up in a free fall into an abyss of darkness that almost consumed me.

Kelly: I know it must have been just terrifying for you.

And you [00:05:00] didn’t talk about it for a while, right? Your husband didn’t know. Mm-hmm.

Amanda: Yeah, he, it was probably, it was about three or four years. After I’d, I had had our last son and my husband was experiencing some, depression and that kind of thing, and the things that I was telling him like, you’re feeling this and you’re feeling this.

Amanda: You need to combat it this way and this way. And he’s like, how do you know this? How do you know what I’m feeling? I’m like, that’s what I was dealing with. And he was floored. He was, he said. You need to tell me that you slept next to me every night and I saw you every day and had no idea this is what you were struggling with.

Amanda: And I was like, yeah, I hid it really, really well.

Kelly: Wow. Well, Amanda, I’m wondering if you could describe that day, the breaking point, here’s how you describe it in your book, the Dark Veil, that shielded reality was violently torn away in the weight of what you [00:06:00] almost did, caused you to shatter.

Kelly: So talk to us about that and how the enormity of this depression finally made itself known. You could no longer hide it, you could no longer ignore it.

Amanda: Sure. I’m gonna backtrack a little bit first before I get to that day. Like you said in the intro I was adopted at three days old. And so, when someone’s adopted, there’s always this wonder.

Amanda: You’re constantly wondering like, where did I get my eyes from? Why do I like to do this type of thing? Wow. I’m good at this. Did that come from my mom or my dad? You know? Because there are things that are genetic, and so you just kind of wonder like, wow, how did I get that?

Amanda: Where did that come from? And so growing up I had a great family, grew up on a farm, had loving parents, just really had the best life and, I always dreamed of having children because I wanted that connection, [00:07:00] that something that wast mine that was truly mine, that I was blood related to and was genuinely connected to.

Amanda: And so that was a huge dream. And so when I found out I was pregnant with my first son, I was like, it’s finally my time. You know, it’s my moment. And, it was great. Like I said, the pregnancy was phenomenal. I glowed the whole time. No sickness. It was just great. The delivery popped him right out, went home the next day, like it couldn’t have been better.

Amanda: I couldn’t have dreamed of a better pregnancy or delivery. And so, after that, when we brought him home and I was expecting to feel. This overwhelming love for him because he came out of me, he was my blood child, you know, that kind of thing. And with my husband’s girls, like I loved them dearly. I wanted a big family being an only child, I wanted siblings for my kids, you [00:08:00] know?

Amanda: And so I was living my best life and I was kind of disappointed because I didn’t feel any different. For my son than I did for the girls. And so the love that I had for them wasn’t any different than I had for him. And in my mind there was a difference and I wasn’t experiencing that. And so it was just this little dart that was like, hmm, you’re not worthy of that.

Amanda: You’re not good enough to experience something like that. Hmm. And so it’s just something that was in my subconscious, kind of in the back of my mind. Well, so then fast forward eight years, when I found out I was pregnant with our last son, the enemy, like I said, just walked right in and had a field day in my mind.

Amanda: And one of the things that he whispered to me was, the reason I was pregnant with this child is because my other son was gonna die.

Kelly: Oh my goodness.

Amanda: I have no idea where that came from, and [00:09:00] I cannot tell you why I held onto that lie, but it obliterated me and it really, it destroyed me. Like it caused so much fear and anxiety and a panic in me while I was pregnant.

Amanda: So that was part of the snowball effect of my mind running wild. Like, what is, how’s it gonna happen? Is it gonna happen? Just this chaos in my mind going on about that. And so I have our last son, and then again, you know, the snowball effect of all the hormones compounding on top of the depression that I’m already feeling just keeps getting worse.

Amanda: And I keep hoping and I keep praying, like, oh, if I could just get to the next day, it’ll be better. If I could just get to the next day, it’ll be better. And it wasn’t. And it felt like it just kept getting worse and worse and worse. And. With our, my last son, I ended up having to have an emergency c-section because his heart rate was dropping and they just had to get [00:10:00] him out.

Amanda: And so my mom thankfully, had came and moved in with us to help me take care of him. ’cause she could see I was struggling physically, you know, with the C-section and everything. And so she was, she stayed with us for. I think about three weeks and then she decided to go home. ’cause I was moving around more, you know, up and about.

Amanda: And again, like I said, I was hiding how my emotional turmoil, turmoil was how really bad it was. And so, I, she ended up going home. Everybody went back to work and, you know. The kids were living their best life, going to friends’, houses and stuff. And so, there were times when I was at the house by myself and just completely overwhelmed and not feeling like I was doing a good job.

Amanda: And with all the thoughts that were going on in my mind, really berating myself with. I’m a horrible mother. How could I be thinking these things? You know? How can you not want your son, you’re his mom. And [00:11:00] just this emotional rollercoaster that was never ending. And I think it was about two to three months after he was born.

Amanda: I was exhausted mentally, physically, not sleeping, waking up 3, 4, 5 times a night on top of what I was having to wake up with him to feed and all of that. So I was just, I was exhausted. It was a Friday afternoon and I had just laid him down and I was like, I’ve got to sleep. I’m just. Done. I was like, I just need to rest and close my eyes and get some type of rest.

Amanda: And my mind just wouldn’t quit. It wouldn’t quit, it wouldn’t turn off. And so I was laying there and like I could feel myself dozing and he just woke up from a nap screaming bloody murder. And that it just set me off. I something in me snapped and. I was like, I can’t do [00:12:00] this anymore. And it was almost like that movie reel that goes through your mind really quick of like all these scenarios.

Amanda: And the first one was cover his mouth and shut him up and just hold it so you never have to hear it again. And with that thought came, well, then you’ll go to jail. Well then. If you can’t go to jail, you’re gonna have to kill yourself. And like it was just this snowball effect of horrible, tormenting thoughts.

Amanda: And in a moment, in the blink of an eye, and I don’t know why it was me, but the Lord just ripped that veil of darkness and I saw the gravity of what I almost did, and I just broke. I knew my husband was about to come home. I laid him the baby in the middle of the bed and I just got on the floor and sobbed.

Amanda: And that’s how [00:13:00] my husband found me, broken on the floor. And he was panicked because he was like, what’s happening? What’s going on? You know? And I just told him, I was like, I’m okay, but I need help. I need help now. And, I didn’t tell him what I almost did. I just told him, I, I need to go to the doctor.

Amanda: I need my mom to come back. I need your mom to come get the baby. I was like, I can’t do it. I can’t do it anymore. And so his mom, she lived in an apartment by behind our house, and so she called her. He called her and she came right over. And I was able to kind of get myself together, and I’ll never forget the words that he spoke over me.

Amanda: My husband spoke over me not even having an understanding fully of what really had almost happened. He just looked at me and he said, he said, the Lord has not given you a spirit of fear, [00:14:00] but of power, love, and a sound mind. Man. I held onto that for the next three years with all of my might, and my mom moved back.

Amanda: She moved back in for six months with us and took care of him, made sure I was okay. I went to the doctor that Monday and I did not tell him the gravity of what I almost did, but I just told him I was like. I’m struggling with depression. This is severe, you know, because I was also terrified in the same moment.

Amanda: I was terrified that they were gonna commit me. You know, I still had all this for going on, and so I didn’t know what help could look like. But thankfully my doctor not only did he give me a prescription for an antidepressant, he gave me a scripture. Prescription and it was Matthew [00:15:00] 6 33 and 34, and he said, when you fill those thoughts, you read this verse over yourself.

Amanda: And I did. Those were the two things that I clung to. And when I couldn’t have the mental capacity to read or to form a thought, the other thing I clung to was Jesus loves me. That song had been ingrained in me. Since I was a child, and I clung to that, Jesus loves me. Jesus loves me. When I could not form a thought, a prayer, a word, I just recited that because I knew that the Lord was the only way out of this and I had to surrender my thoughts.

Amanda: My what ifs, my fears, my anxiety, the baby, myself, everything. I surrendered it when I broke that day the floor and I knew he was the only way out.

Kelly: Wow. That’s so, it’s so deeply [00:16:00] powerful and profound. Had us both in tears and I know that when I read it in the book, I was crying as well. I love that the, that the Lord gave your husband the strength, the thought to just declare, is it first Timothy one, six

Kelly: second Timothy one, seven.

Kelly: 2 Tim 1:7 for God has not given you a spirit of fear, but of power and love and sound mind, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. So it’s so amazing I mean, he hears his baby crying, he sees his wife falling apart on the floor, and yet the Lord broke through and. To me, that’s such a testament to the power of God to speak words when we need them the most and then your doctor, what a dear man giving you that scripture. Would you mind looking up and reading that over us as well?

Amanda: Yeah, sure.

Kelly: And while you’re looking that up, I wanted to add, you put together a battle plan you would [00:17:00] sing Jesus loves me.

Kelly: You would recite these scriptures and you would take your thoughts captive and you would refuse to ruminate on the lies. That had been holding you captive for so long, my heartaches for you. I, I’m so grateful you got help and that you had the courage to say, I need help. I am severely depressed.

Amanda: Yeah.

Amanda: Okay. Matthew 6 33 and 34. But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be provided for you. Therefore, don’t worry about tomorrow because tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

Amanda: Hmm.

Kelly: Yeah. That’s so powerful. And the lies that you, especially that one lie, that your son would die. I mean, that’s just catastrophizing about the future constantly. And so to bring your thoughts into the present moment and to say, this [00:18:00] day, this is where we’re living, just focus on me. Right. Jesus loves you.

Kelly: Right. He’s got you. He has not given you a spirit of fear. That’s very helpful.

Amanda: Yeah. And one of the things that I learned to do in my healing journey was I had to learn to combat the lies that I was believing with the truth of the word or with the truth of the Lord was teaching me. After I got help, after the, the kind of that fog was clearing with the medication, it was helping, you know, I was starting to feel myself.

Amanda: The healing process was still another 18 months and so I was working through a lot. So every time I would have a thought, I would bring it to the Lord. I don’t know what to do with this. Is, this is causing me anxiety. I don’t know what to do with this. And still, one of the biggest things was with my son.

Amanda: My older son, he was having headaches, so I was like, oh [00:19:00] my gosh, is this it, is it a brain tumor? Just all these thoughts were happening. We were going to the doctor and in the emergency room and, you know, all those things. So those were causing anxiety and stress still in me. And, it was probably about eight or nine months, maybe a year after I had gone to the doctor.

Amanda: And had I was starting to wean myself off the medication ’cause I was feeling better, but I was still having those tormenting thoughts and I was, I remember I would never forget this. I was folding laundry and just worrying like, okay, he had a headache yesterday. I don’t know what we’re gonna do. You know, what’s the next step?

Amanda: The Lord just stopped me and he said, what would happen if he died? And I was just like, what do you mean? I would be devastated. I don’t even understand why what you’re asking, you know? And he said, I want you to think about this. What would happen if he died? And I was like, well, he would go to heaven [00:20:00] and be with you.

Amanda: And he said, right. Is that so bad? And it was like, okay, okay. Yes, it would be horrible if he died. I would be devastated and I would have grieve and mourn unimaginably. I, I couldn’t even imagine how much I would grieve and mourn, but I could have joy in mourning knowing that he was with the Lord. Mm.

Amanda: And when I realized that truth, the enemy could not use it as a weapon anymore because I had confidence in knowing that the Lord had him no matter if he stayed on the earth with me or if he decided to take him up to heaven. I knew that the Lord had him one way or another, and that was the moment for me where I didn’t struggle with that anymore.

Amanda: That the enemy couldn’t use it as a weapon, and I clung to that. He tried, don’t get me wrong, he still tried. I said, [00:21:00] no, the Lord’s got him. Period. You’re not gonna torment me with this anymore.

Kelly: Amanda, so true. Mm-hmm. That when we bring our fears into the light, into the truth of God’s word, they flee perfect love.

Kelly: Yeah. Out fear and darkness has to flee in the space of God’s light. Wow. And truth telling , is what has set me free so often. Just asking that question, what are you so afraid of? What’s the worst here? That really does break the stronghold of fear when you think it through in the presence of the Lord’s Light.

Kelly: And you just allow, you ask the questions or you allow him to ask the questions, and you sort it out with him. That’s so powerful. It sets us free. Yeah. The truth really does set us free. It really does.

Kelly: It really does.

Kelly: One of the things that I loved hearing about in your book this wasn’t a one and done kind of thing.

Kelly: You’ve made that very clear, but the beautiful ways that the Lord [00:22:00] surrounded you with a community of care mm-hmm. Was really. Just lovely. People weren’t afraid to step into that space of deep, dark depression. And you weren’t afraid at that point. You were so desperate. You let them in. Yeah. So talk to us about what that looked like and how we can be a good friend to somebody who’s walking through something like this.

Amanda: I think our oldest was in, I think it was kindergarten, so he might’ve been like six or seven. And we had gone to an Easter party, , setting up, you know, like room moms do and stuff. I was not the room mom. I’m not good at that, but I’m a great helper. Any way I can. And so I was assisting the room mom and her son and my son had become really great friends and so we kind of connected over that Easter party and stuff.

Amanda: And then school ended and it was a summer and so she called and was asked me to go. Do a play date with her son, who [00:23:00] my son had become friends with, and then her two younger twin sons. So we decided to go to Chuck E. Cheese, but I had just found out I was pregnant with our youngest. And so when we showed up to Chuck E.

Amanda: Cheese, she. I’ll never forget this. I’m like distraught, like you can tell there’s something wrong with me. And she didn’t know me really, aside from, you know, just the meetings at the school. And then that connection that we had at the, at the Easter party the kids ran off once we got our tickets and stuff and she looked at me and she said, Hey, are you okay?

Amanda: And that was that, that’s what I was. Mentioning earlier, recognizing even if you don’t know the person, just recognizing that something’s off. And I told her, I was like, yeah, I just found out I was pregnant. And she wanted to be like, congratulations, but. She could definitely see on [00:24:00] my face that it was not something I was excited about.

Amanda: And so I’m so thankful that the Lord put her in my life because she was actually something I held onto. She didn’t even realize it, but she was something I held onto because as we were sitting there with Chuck at Chuck E. Cheese, her kids were running around. Her twins were four, and I was like, man.

Amanda: She did it with two. If I could just make it to four with this one, I’ll be okay. You know, like I just kept saying, if I could just make it till he’s four, if I could just make it till he’s four, she did it with two. I can do it with one. Like I would give myself that daily pep talk, you know? And then her son and my oldest son, you know, their friendship just continually grew.

Amanda: And so I would go to her house and pick up my son and she, she was like his second home there because I was struggling so bad. Mm-hmm. He would say, can I go to Miss Laverne’s house and play with Ethan? I’m like, sure. Go. And she welcomed him every time. [00:25:00] And we became really good friends over time, but there were moments that I would in and she would say, Hey, are you okay?

Amanda: There are even times where , I would kind of tear up and be like, I’m just struggling today. And she was like, well, can I pray for you? And she would take me in her room and just cover me in prayer when, oh, when I didn’t even know I needed it, you know? Yeah. And so just for the Lord to put someone in my life, you know, that saw me.

Amanda: When I was struggling and didn’t just brush over it or be like, pass it off as, oh, she’s just having a bad day and move on. You know, she took the time to stop and say, I see you. Mm-hmm. And I’m here for you. , Even though I didn’t voice to her what I was truly feeling, the Lord just really put her as a comfort in my life.

Amanda: And, I mean, , we’re best friends today. It’s been, [00:26:00] I think 15 years. We’ve been friends for 15 years and so, we do ministry together to give women hope and so she was just a huge catalyst in that community. I had a huge community of friends that I knew I could lean on, you know, that I was so blessed to have, and I know not everyone has that.

Amanda: I know there are women struggling with this who. Do not have a support system and don’t have someone that they can reach out to and call and talk to. And I want to tell that woman, the Lord sees you. The Lord knows your pain, and all you have to do is cry out, call his name. It might not be instant.

Amanda: It might take weeks or months, but he is working even when you don’t see or feel that you just have to trust and keep moving forward every day.

Kelly: Amen. Yes. Every time you made the [00:27:00] tough decision to just press through for one more minute and just saying, if I can just make it till four.

Amanda: Well,, her twins were four years old, so I was like, if I could just make it till the baby’s four, like if I could just get through till he’s four years old. I, I’m a be sailing smooth, you know? ’cause I’m like, he’s outta diapers at four. He is sleeping through the night at four. You know.

Kelly: Well, that practice of looking ahead and just saying, if I can just make it one more minute, if I can just make it one more hour, and then looking ahead to a time when you knew things were gonna be easier, you’re saying to yourself, this too will pass.

Kelly: And there’s something I heard from a neuro. Science guy that when you press forward and you do something you don’t really wanna do, like you were battling and it was truly a beautiful war, you were battling for hope, you were battling for truth. You were holding on with all your might to the love of God as you just kept walking forward.

Kelly: [00:28:00] Every time we do this, it flips a switch in our brain and it builds resilience. And so that’s like just paving a hope pathway in our brain so that every single time we do it, it becomes easier and easier and easier. That that’s just a beautiful illustration of what that battle can look like.

Amanda: Yeah, and it’s, it’s brutal, you know?

Amanda: Yeah, yeah. It’s tough. And I think as women. Moms, friends, sisters we don’t realize what the Lord has put in us. We’re warriors. We go to war for our mental health. We go to war for our families.

Amanda: Yeah.

Amanda: And it’s why in Ephesians it, it tells us to armor up, you know? Yeah. Put on the breastplate, put on the shield.

Amanda: The shoes, the helmet. There’s a reason for that because every day when we wake up, we’re fighting for our kids. We’re fighting for our [00:29:00] families, we’re fighting for our marriages. We’re fighting to be, a woman running after the Lord because the enemy will come in and say, oh, you’re not doing that good enough.

Amanda: You’re not. You’re not good at that. Well, she’s better at this than you are. And all those things distract us from running after the Lord and what he’s calling. Us to do because what he’s calling me to do is different than what he’s calling you or what he’s calling my friend Laverne to do, or my other friend, or my husband or my kids, you know?

Amanda: And so we have to put our hope and our focus in running after the Lord in what? He wants us to do, not the world is telling us that we should be doing

Kelly: right. God has a beautiful, unique, special plan for every single one of us. And comparison will sometimes just hide us under the lies of the enemy, instead of allowing our true light in our true identity the masterpiece [00:30:00] that God created us to be, to shine.

Kelly: Right. The prayers of your friend allowed that to happen because you weren’t hiding. All of her prayers over you and her very presence just gave you a safe place where you could be yourself so that the real Amanda could shine through is so powerful. Well, Amanda, I’m wondering what you’ve learned about God on your journey that you wish you could go back to younger Amanda and speak to her?

Amanda: He’s so faithful, so, so very faithful. Even when I felt so far away from him, he was right there. He was fighting for me. He was protecting me. He was fighting with me. Hmm. And. I just would love for her to know that no matter what you’re feeling, no matter what the world tells you, you need to be or do or act or whatever it is, not to believe it, to [00:31:00] trust the Lord and to walk in what he’s telling you, the truth that he’s telling you and the truth that he’s teaching you.

Kelly: Yes. God is fighting for you. You are a fought for daughter of the King. Yes. It’s such a comfort to me to know that God is loving me and fighting for me and in our battles, in our hard places, it’s not up to me. The battle is the Lord’s. It’s not mine. I just keep leaning in and I discover all that he’s doing for me.

Kelly: Well, Amanda, there was one more thing I wanted to ask you about. So you mentioned this lie that you know the lie that you weren’t worthy of having that special love for your child that you had hoped for, that connection that you had hoped for because you had been adopted and had missed that growing up.

Kelly: How did God heal that part, that lie?

Amanda: I was in my truck one day driving to work and I was just, contemplating that feeling [00:32:00] like, ah, Lord, why, why have I not been able to feel that I, you know, the desires of my heart? You know, it says you’ll give me the desires of my heart. Why have I not been worthy of that?

Amanda: And it was almost like he was sitting in the truck next to me and it was like this audible thing that was like, you’ve had it all along the lie that you were believing it’s not truth the way that you love the girls. Is the same way that you love your son and the same way that you love your son is the same way that you love your girls.

Amanda: It’s the same. There is no difference. There is no blood love bond or love this way or love that way. You’ve had it all along. I have given it to you, and you have carried it, [00:33:00] and you have lacked nothing. That moment for me, like I had to pull off on the side of the road and just sob. Yeah, because he spoke truth and healed and restored that wound that I had basically inflicted on myself and was believing when it was the furthest thing from the truth, the furthest thing from the truth.

Amanda: Because the Lord loves us so much, that’s why he died on the cross for us and. We have to believe that we are worthy of that because we are, he wouldn’t have died for us. Mm. And that desire that I always wanted, I already had. I just had to believe it and I had to see it and recognize it. And it was when he spoke that truth to me, that I was able to look past the lie that was in front of me and see the truth on the other side.

Kelly: Wow. That is [00:34:00] beautiful. You know, one of the things that you’ve done throughout this interview is you’ve just laid out beautiful ways to listen to the Lord, to pray to the Lord, and to be healed by his words of love. That’s such a powerful example. He is a God who. Speaks, and I would often say that that’s what’s rescued my heart more than anything else, is that our God is alive and he speaks to me what I need when I need it.

Kelly: And so often what actually helps our mind listen for his voice is asking questions and prayer. And you, you illustrated that so beautifully throughout your life with him throughout the stories. Thank you for sharing that as well.

Amanda: Thank you. Thank you.

Kelly: Well, why don’t you let our listeners know how they can get in touch with you, Amanda?

Amanda: Sure I’m on Instagram at amanda dot l dot Scarborough, and then you can find me on my website, amanda l scarborough.com. [00:35:00] Sure.

Kelly: Great, and I highly recommend the book A Beautiful War.

Kelly: This is Her, this. Debut book. I’m pretty sure there’s gonna be others, but I absolutely recommend it so highly. Thank you so much, Amanda, for sharing your story with us today. It was truly encouraging and thanks for being so transparent in your book.

Amanda: Yeah, thank you. Thank you for having me. It was an honor and I just hope that anyone listening knows that the Lord sees them and he, he knows the hurt.

Amanda: You just have to lean in and trust him. Yes.

Kelly: Amen.

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