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Threads of Glory Woven in a Family Story. Carol McCracken

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Carol: I got to the end of myself and I can just remember I prayed to God. I’m like, what is happening here? How could you allow this? How could you allow this to happen to me?

Carol: I ended up going back to my church, back to my Bible study, confessing it, and I, I was expecting, basically to be demoted. Those women were so wonderful to me.

Carol: They embraced me. They laid hands on me. They prayed for me. And it even makes me emotional, just remembering it.

Welcome to the Unshakable Hope podcast, where real life intersects redeeming love. I’m Kelly Hall, and this is where we wrestle through faith questions such as, how do I trust God’s heart when his ways and delays are breaking mind? We’ll hear from people just like you and me who have experienced God’s faithfulness when life didn’t unfold as they expected my prayers, that God would renew our hope and his word and his love through these [00:01:00] conversations.

Hey friends. I am so glad you’re here. I wanted to remind you this powerful verse, scripture. Jesus tells us in this world we will have trouble.

And I love what my friend Dr. Tammy Smith has said on my podcast before. Why are we surprised when life on the planet is hard? But we can take heart because Jesus encourages us with these words. I have overcome the world. Today we’re gonna highlight the power and faithfulness of our Lord who was breaking through the fog of some very hard troubles.

I think I’d characterize our story today as an Ephesians 3:20 kind of story where we read God is able to do immeasurably more than all we could ask or imagine according to his power at work within us. And this promise is true for all of us today, in every day.

The story you’re going to hear has moved me and I’ve only heard snippets of it, so I know I’m going to [00:02:00] hear a lot I’ve never heard before. Looking forward to this. I heard my guest talk about her son who had special needs, a rare diagnosis. It was difficult to manage after, some time her marriage dissolved.

She spent years as a divorced single mom, and she talked about how the Lord met her in his word and what she learned about his character. And then after a decade of being single. She and her husband remarried. She says it’s completely a God thing. Neither one ever thought it could happen. So we’re gonna walk through this story today of God’s immeasurably more, and we’re going to hear how the Lord sustained her and continues to sustain her in this season of her life.

So let me introduce you to Carol. Carol McCracken currently serves as the adult discipleship minister on our church staff. She’s an author, speaker, seasoned bible teacher. Her greatest passion is bringing scripture to life for women and helping them discover a [00:03:00] vibrant, real relationship with Jesus. You can hear her daily inspirational messages on the web-based radio station.

Christian Mix 1 0 6 and she co-hosts two popular podcasts. You’ve heard me mention many times before, faith Over Fear and your Daily Bible verse. And this is how I got to know Carol because our dear mutual friend Jennifer Slattery is her co-host, and Jen’s been my guest multiple times. So Carol, I’m so glad you’re here.

Thank you so much for joining me and being willing to share this

Carol: story. Absolutely. Thank you for inviting me in the first place. I’m anxious to share my story.

Kelly: Well, I wanna say, first of all, congratulations, you were remarried at Christmas.

Carol: Surprise surprise to all of us.

Kelly: Yes. So I’m just curious, what do you say when people ask you how long you’ve been married?

Carol: I got all of the questions. It’s so funny for a woman who doesn’t even believe in divorce, you know, [00:04:00] this is kind of a, a redeeming thing to me, but people tease too and they’re like, well, which anniversary do you celebrate? Both of course.

Kelly: Well, I’d love for you to walk us into what marriage was like in the early years and also I wanna hear how you and your husband met. Okay.

Carol: How we met, well, I take it back to the mall days, you know, JCPenney and, I had graduated from Bowling Green State University and my degree was industrial psychology.

Carol: Unfortunately, the time that I graduated, the Detroit area was in a recession and nobody cared to hire anyone that was a personnel generalist. And so I took a job at JCPenney and I sold commission coats and dresses just to buy some time. Well, there was this fellow there, and we both nodded to each other, knew each other, were there, and then apparently a team member of his got tired [00:05:00] of watching us swoon over each other and made us go out with her after work one night.

Carol: And of course we connected and it was, it was just meant to be. We, we had this wonderful friendship and we decided marriage was the answer after all that. That’s how I met him at JC Penny.

Kelly: Alright, so then tell me about the early years of your marriage.

Carol: It was good. We kind of did our own thing. We were, we’re independent characters and we were we were married eight years before our son even came on.

Carol: We didn’t try very hard for children because we felt if the Lord was gonna bless us, he was gonna bless us. And if he didn’t. Then it was not meant to be. Mm-hmm. And so we tried in the beginning, didn’t seem to be happening, and so we followed our career aspirations. We went up the court corporate ladder, that sort of thing.

Carol: Next thing you know, mysteriously we were pregnant. And I can even remember telling my mom, guess what? You [00:06:00] won’t even believe this. I’m pregnant. I don’t know how it happened. And she said, well, maybe that was half your problem all along.

Carol: So we were overjoyed. We were delighted that we were pregnant and we ended up having our son Connor, eight years after our marriage and we had a wonderful two years. He was a handsome little guy. I can remember I had him in a bunny suit one time, you know, the beatrice potter type of and he had these long, beautiful eyelashes and everybody kept telling me what a pretty daughter I had, which irritated my husband

Carol: And he was everybody’s darling. But somehow at the age of two. Everything changed and you know, people talk about the terrible twos, but this was different. This was different. And we didn’t know that this was gonna be the very beginning of a very long journey of which there are no books, no handbooks or anything to, to guide you.

Carol: We kind of had to figure out kind of a foreign language [00:07:00] type of thing. So, we were blessed. We began to realize that there were issues because we tried, I told you we were trying to pursue the corporate ladder, that kind of thing. So we had to do daycare for Connor. He ended up getting thrown out of four daycares.

Kelly: Oh wow.

Carol: So, you know, there’s an issue there, but I refuse to acknowledge that. I’m like, y’all, y’all are not spending time with my child. He’s precious, he’s wonderful. Y’all need to work harder with him. But yet we found this wonderful kindergarten teacher who was finally like, you know, I’m not trying to be rude, but you might truly wanna get him the help that he needs by testing him to see how we can handle.

Carol: He’s, he’s self screening himself. There is a very vibrant room. Classroom that he was in, and she noticed that he kept turning his little chair away from it and, and focus and looked down at his lap. Like all of this was too much stimulation for him. And so, sure enough, he was diagnosed with A DHD and for many, many years we just.

Carol: Thought that’s [00:08:00] what the issue was. And then he got into a gifted program and a bus took him to a different place. And there are pictures we have of his third grade teacher showing me he’s teaching these little guys. String theory. String theory, yeah, exactly. That child was way advanced, but the problem was he didn’t have the social skills that went along with it.

Carol: Mm-hmm. Marriage was good, but marriage was tough because we were trying to juggle both raising him something that we didn’t exactly know what we were doing and our jobs. And so. We made it. We definitely made it. But puberty hit at about the age of 12. So my husband decided to take early retirement and we moved to Orange Beach, Alabama, where we have some family home, and we decided this will be a place where we can really focus on him, get him what he needs, get him plugged in in a [00:09:00] smaller town.

Kelly: Mm. Yeah,

Carol: things went crazy. Wow. And how do you deal with that, your hopes and dreams and this little being that is acting like something you’ve never seen before? I can’t even begin to tell you because it’s hard to have sympathy for some of his behavior because if you don’t know what’s going on in his psyche, it is very damaging behavior.

Carol: So, yeah.

Kelly: So I’m just curious if the move, if the transition also triggered some of the explosion of new emotions.

Carol: It very well could have because what you need, we ended up having to get some professional help because he was starting to make some really bad decisions that were getting him into a lot of trouble.

Carol: Little did we know he was gonna get four separate diagnoses and it was hard and it was rough, but we, we got to where we couldn’t even handle him anymore. And what a person with [00:10:00] Connor’s diagnosis needs is. Stability.

Kelly: Yeah.

Carol: Yes, indeed. Your hunch is quite right. We could very much have disturbed him in trying to help him.

Kelly: Can you explain what the diagnoses were?

Carol: Yes. We had ADHD, as you knew, was validated. He definitely had that. Then he had something called Tourette’s. And Tourette’s is something to where you have ticks, bodily ticks, verbal ticks. You know, it’s not like TV where they, they are sitting there and somebody screams at a curse word all the time.

Carol: At least that’s not how Connor manifested, you know? He would jerk a little bit. And then he had what is called Cyclothymia and this was the one that affected him more than anything. Cyclothymia is a mood disorder, and you swing very rapidly, highs, lows, highs, lows. You. It is nothing that is triggered at any point in time.

Carol: As the doctor explained it to us, his chemicals could just suddenly drop, and here he [00:11:00] was going through puberty and these things were happening that he didn’t understand. Not to mention, as the doctor described it to us, he had a teaspoon, if you will, of Asperger’s syndrome, which is manifested on the autism’s.

Carol: Scale and this umbrella of the spectrum. And so he had all of things going, of these things going on. He didn’t know what was going on, much less us. He just knew that he felt bad all the time and he just wanted some stability.

Kelly: Yeah, poor kid. And he was very, very smart. And that comes with its own set of issues when you don’t know how to channel that.

Kelly: Wow. I can’t even imagine. I’m so empathetic. You know, we have three special needs kids, but they had other issues too. And trying to find doctors who understood and not only understood and could name it, but could help us know what path to take. I’m sure you had a hundred [00:12:00] different choices of what you Yes.

Kelly: And should do.

Carol: Yes. And the body, the human body is I, I learned the meaning with, with science. And you think you can go to a doctor, he might be able to give you medication and make it all better. Well, your body people are making educated guesses because everybody responds to medication differently.

Carol: Mm-hmm. And we finally ended up getting a professional doctor that had some of the same diagnoses that Connor had.

Kelly: Wow.

Carol: Was a blessing. It was an absolute blessing. It was hard on my husband because my husband and I had different ideas about how to handle this. It was like walking on eggshells at our house, but we all were trying to find peace in our own way.

Kelly: I am so grateful. I just wanna say thank you, Lord, for bringing you to a doctor who could understand some of these issues, I know with my kids with chronic Lyme, there [00:13:00] were always about 500 doctors we could choose from and 50,000 different supplements we could try, and so you have to seek the Lord’s direction. I mean, my kids had some medical trauma from so many things that didn’t work.

Kelly: Sure. So I’m thankful the Lord was leading you, but I know it’s difficult. You and your husband had different ideas. Talk to us about the how that affected your marriage.

Carol: I’m gonna just begin to tell you that our marriage eventually imploded, and that was very hard for me because I’m in it for life.

Carol: When you marry, you say your vows, you do what needs to be done, even if it’s hard. Even if it’s hard, you stick with it. But the constant stress, the constant stress, my poor Rich, My husband, I think he genuinely believed that I woke up in the morning and flew down on my broom just to irritate him. I mean, it got to [00:14:00] that point.

Carol: You know, you begin to expect the worst of each other. Yeah. All you’re doing is seeking peace. And then this person that you supposedly love. That you married, that you committed your life to is betraying you. They’re not responding like you feel that they should and everybody is just in their own way trying to navigate a never ending situation.

Carol: Oh, the phone would ring from school and they go, are you Connor McCracken’s mother? And I got to the point, I’m like, who wants to know? You know, it’s just one thing after another. You’re surrendering your dream for your child, first of all. Yeah. Your child has no friends. He’s just trying to navigate. He was in junior ROTC for a while, and at least he found some like-minded people for a brief period of time.

Carol: But I was constantly waiting for the other shoe to drop. Never knew when the phone would ring, and sometimes I just had to call my husband, go, I need you. I need your help. I don’t know what to [00:15:00] do anymore. All of that to say we started using alcohol and we, you know, nobody starts out trying to be an alcoholic.

Carol: Let me just be the first one to say that. But it became a crutch for me and I got tired of feeling and I just wanted to be numb.

Kelly: Yeah.

Carol: That, let me tell you, people don’t, don’t do that If you possibly can I will be the first to tell you that. Being numb, you always have to come back and your problems are not gone.

Carol: That solves nothing. That is not a good crutch. And it makes you just wanna isolate ’cause you’re ashamed of yourself. So here we all are in these individual cycles, these unhealthy, dysfunctional cycles. In my household, something was gonna blow and it did. It just did. It was our marriage.

Kelly: Carol, I know your church community, your friends at church, they responded to you in [00:16:00] a way that blew you away they met you with a love and grace that very much surprised you. Can you talk about that?

Carol: God is good.

Carol: My enemy was more my own mind. What would people think? I’m in a small town. I am the Bible study teacher. I I need to be strong. I need to be an example. Well, I learned that that does not make a very authentic ministry. Amen.

Kelly: Yes.

Carol: God allowed humiliation. Just a very personal story, you know, that was pride that I was just explaining to you.

Carol: What would people say? I’m the Bible study teacher. I can’t lower myself to having problems and tell people about them. You don’t air your dirty laundry. So I drank wine one night and I was gonna get in the car and get some more wine. ’cause that just simply wasn’t enough. I was still feeling, and as I was driving, [00:17:00] I knew I shouldn’t be driving.

Carol: And I can’t explain this to somebody that is not addicted. It just seems like you should just be able to stop. But when a substance has a power over you. It has power over you and you begin to have scrambled brains and your judgment is at stake. And this is exactly what I needed. This was my greatest gift.

Carol: So I pulled the car over because I knew I shouldn’t be driving. And the next thing you know, there’s blue lights in my rear view mirror. Oh wow. Those blue lights were for me. Hmm. So small town humiliation. There you go. The Bible study teacher got pulled over and that was exactly what I needed to have happen to me.

Carol: I got to the end of myself and I can just remember I prayed to God. I’m like, what is happening here? How could you allow this? How could you allow this to happen to [00:18:00] me? You’re servant. Look, look what I’ve done. And he goes, well, you’ve done things your own way. And I got this sense of him saying to me, so how’s it going for you doing it your way?

Carol: Best thing that ever happened to me, because I ended up going back to my church, back to my Bible study, confessing it, and I, I was expecting, basically to be demoted. You know, who are you? You can’t handle the word of God. You can’t handle your own life. Those women were so wonderful to me. Oh, hallelujah.

Carol: They embraced me. They laid hands on me. They prayed for me. And it even makes me emotional, just remembering it. And they said, you, your ministry now is way more authentic than it ever was. You’re one of us. You have troubles too. You know how it feels. So now you have more wise counsel to minister to us.

Kelly: Hmm. I’m so grateful. Oh, that brought tears to [00:19:00] my eyes. I didn’t know that was gonna happen. Some wise friends, God bless you with I just love how he surrounded you with love and grace.. And wisdom to walk you out of your shame and walk you out of your isolation and hiding into the light.

Kelly: That’s it.

Carol: That’s exactly what it is. And it’s never been more beautiful. You know, I had to do some hard things, as did my husband. I later found out when we were divorced, but it took a lot. You know, I went through a 12 step program, which is I highly recommend, you know, sometimes you just can’t fix yourself.

Carol: You know, you gotta do the hard work. And I’m a pastor at the church and I was permitted even in my singleness to be able to preach and teach. That’s beautiful. I was given trust. Mm-hmm. And you know what? God gave me a second chance. I don’t wanna ruin it. It’s precious to me.

Kelly: [00:20:00] Hmm. That is so powerful.

Kelly: I’m wondering if you can talk to us about maybe a, a verse or some thoughts from scripture stories that really sustained you and anchored you to God’s heart of love during this long season of raising your son without your husband.

Carol: What do you do when a 17-year-old comes to you? You think you’re hiding all your problems and you think that the answer is we need to stay together. He needs to, he needs a mom and a dad, and your 17-year-old child says, mom, when are you gonna divorce Dad? Wow. Yeah, so it’s like, okay, I have to recalibrate.

Carol: Everybody knew that my husband and I needed time apart, but us.

Kelly: Hmm.

Carol: So what did I do to sustain? It was largely my church. It was a variety of where I happened to be at the time and what I was teaching my [00:21:00] life verse is what you quoted at the beginning of this episode that God can do abundantly more than we can think or imagine.

Carol: And I needed that because I couldn’t think or imagine more. I had no idea what my life would be because I was feeling pretty low and God was giving me the responsibility of guiding this child through something I didn’t even know or understand. So my life verse sustained me in the end. It’s easier to see his will, I might say, by looking back.

Carol: Yeah, seeing when you’re in his will. The Lord was good to me because. He was there. I mean, there were many things that I did. I can remember sitting at the kitchen one time and I went over to go do some dishes and my son came up to me and he is standing there in this jacket, which was pretty weird, but he has temperature sensitivities.

Carol: Anyway, so I just was getting this prompt. Have him roll up his [00:22:00] sleeves, have him roll up his sleeves, and I’m like, what? Even though what that means, and I told him, I said, roll up your sleeve. And he’s like, no. I said, do it right now. And he rolled up his sleeves and he had been cutting, and I don’t know if you know what that is, but Cutting.

Carol: I didn’t know what it was at the time, but I knew I needed to call the doctor right away. And the doctor said, bring him in. We’ve simply got him on the wrong medicine. He is trying to release endorphins to calm himself. We got to the doctor and the doctor’s like, Connor, you’re not crazy. We’ve done this with our medication and this is an indication that we just need to change your meds.

Kelly: Mm. Wow.

Carol: How do you guide yourself through that? That’s God. That’s God.

Kelly: I love how the Lord intervened. It just gives me chills. Yes. You couldn’t know . He was instantly in a place where he was safe saying, this is not your fault. You’re gonna be okay.

Kelly: This is the reason. Here [00:23:00] we go.

Carol: Yes. Oh,

Kelly: wow.

Carol: That’s it. I, I just had to be open because I didn’t know what to do. How, how does one navigate that? Surrender? Surrender. You just have to look at the one who’s guiding you. I had no choice.

Kelly: I love in second Chronicles, I think it’s verse 12 or second Chronicles 20 verse 12, where it says, God, we don’t know what to do.

Kelly: Yeah. Look to you.

Carol: Thank you for that verse. That sums it up nicely. Yes.

Kelly: You continue to walk through this every day, just trying to navigate with the Lord, staying close to him, staying in his word, believing him for good.

Kelly: What message of hope would you like to communicate for our listeners who might be facing a divorce or a husband leaving or a child with special needs where it just seems like there’s no hope, there’s no way through.

Carol: there’s always hope. It might not look like you think that it’s going to look, but you [00:24:00] have to trust in the Lord with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. You’ve gotta physically take care of your own needs, though you think straight.

Carol: Get your sleep. Eat the right foods. Surround yourself with godly counsel because you’re gonna hear a lot of voices up in your head and you gotta make sure you can discern what those voices are. I don’t even believe in divorce. But yet I divorced. Talking to my husband now, he said that was what we needed.

Carol: We needed to work on ourselves. We needed help from people. Sometimes you will find yourself in a situation that you never. Thought that you would find yourself in, but you are not alone. That’s the whole thing. You may feel alone if you don’t have a spouse or a child standing with you right there, but you’re not alone.

Carol: God loves them just as much as he loves you and [00:25:00] you know that ultimately they’re not yours. They’re his. So he, if he loves us all so much, let him work out his plan, quit fighting it, see what’s gonna happen, and there’s gonna be some dark in there. There just is, but I’ve heard this before. I don’t even know who to, to attribute the quote to, but with those cracks, they’re just letting the light in.

Carol: Just keep going through, and leave it to God to power you.

Kelly: Hmm. Thank you so much. You know, one other thing that I think is a good reminder for all of us is just to remain in conversation with God.

Kelly: Even in our most broken places. I’m so broken. I don’t know what to do, and don’t let shame isolate you from him, right? He’s right there. He’s right there with you. And another thing that you mentioned is. Our temptation is always to numb the pain. Yeah. And there are so many different ways we do that, [00:26:00] but it’s not a solution.

Kelly: It doesn’t make it better. ’cause when you come back into the real world, all the pain just hurts even more.

Carol: Still, still the numbing does nothing for you.

Kelly: Yeah. Oh, . God, you are with us at all times and we so minimize the promise and power and present of God’s withness. It’s just so beautiful. He is always helping us, always speaking to us.

Kelly: I’d love for you now just to walk us into the next season where God reunited you and your husband. How did the Lord orchestrate this beautiful story?

Carol: Well, connor is an adult. Connor has moved out on his own. I never ever thought that that would happen. Connor continued to make bad decisions and he made a bad decision that it was of the magnitude that I’m like, his father deserves to know.

Carol: Yeah, so I called him. And I said, do you want to meet me? I [00:27:00] have some things to tell you. And we met through dinner and it wasn’t particularly fun because we cried, that kind of thing, but it still brought us together. We are the parents of this child who is now an adult making his own decisions. We did what we could do.

Carol: We could pray over him. That kind of thing, but it opened the door to contact with my husband and it moved slowly, very slowly. But the next thing you know, during special occasions, my husband is a really good cook. I am not. And if he’s gonna feed me during a holiday, I’m not saying, no, no, it’s my duty. You know?

Carol: Yes. I should go get that meal with him. You know? We started having a friendship together because we have a shared experience. We have shared history, we have shared family, that kind of thing. So. Both of us living alone kind of needed each other every once in a [00:28:00] while. You can’t do everything yourself sometimes.

Carol: What do you do if you’re without a car? What do you do? If you need a ride somewhere to get your car fixed? So we kept kind of relying on each other and people are noticing that this friendship is happening. And, and it’s good, but we would have left it there. We just would’ve left it right there. It’s nice, it’s safe.

Carol: It’s good you’re there when I need you. But my husband has always suffered from a heart condition that he was born with and his health got to a situation to where he couldn’t take care of himself any longer. He needed some help after a surgery that he was required to have. So he ended up staying at my condo for about 40 days.

Carol: It was because he had this, and he’ll tell you, he’d be the first one to tell you if there’s something weird out there and rare, I’ll get it for sure. So he had, knowing that he had this heart condition in his esophagus, he developed , [00:29:00] there’s a term for it that I can’t quite remember but the nutrition from food was not getting into his body and little did we know the medication for his heart was not getting into his system.

Kelly: Oh wow.

Carol: So he had kept falling down and we’re just like, this is age. He’s falling down at some point. He doesn’t need to be by himself. But he called me at eight o’clock one morning and he said, I’m dizzy. I’m supposed to go to the doctor. Will you drive me? So I drove him, but he said, I need you to pull into the emergency room.

Carol: He never talks like this. He always powers through. We get to the emergency room, we find out his heart is stopping. That’s why he is falling down all the time because his heart is stopping. That’s terrifying. For him and me both. You know, facing your mortality there, that kind of thing.

Carol: But it put him in a situation where he was gonna have to be dependent on me. He had the surgery on his throat. The doctor said it was [00:30:00] like operating on a piece of Saran wrap. It was that thin. So he could not swallow. He would jeopardize the whole operation. So he had a feeding tube. Thus he was at my condo for 40 days.

Carol: Wow. And after all that and him being dependent and all that, it wasn’t that bad.

Carol: That’s so funny. So the next thing, even though through his health we’re realizing he can’t be that independent and isn’t it nice, we had shared company and all the dogs got along really well and isn’t that great? And so we decided, you know, shouldn’t we just do it again? We’ve invested so much in each other, we love each other.

Carol: Let’s just remarry.

Kelly: So we did.

Carol: It was no romantic shooting of Cupid’s Bow. It was a restoration of something that already was, and it was so delightful because we remembered this is why we dated in the first place. This is why we married in the first [00:31:00] place, and we see with fresh eyes the work that each other has done past that dysfunctional stage.

Carol: That’s amazing.

Kelly: Yeah. Yeah, definitely. We think so. Yeah. Well, congratulations. I am just so happy for both of you. I love hearing this story.

Carol: Thank you. Thank you very much. It’s just, it’s amazing. We, we did not orchestrate any of this. It’s quite clear. It’s a God thing.

Kelly: Well, what does Connor think about this?

Carol: I would love to give you a happy ending, but he doesn’t even know we are estranged at the moment.

Kelly: Well thank you for sharing that and I’m so sorry. Thank, I’m praying I will be praying for you. And the, the other side of restoration that I believe God has in mind.

Carol: Absolutely.

Carol: God can do anything. So I am just being patient and it

Carol: will be in God’s timing.

Kelly: Absolutely. And I wanna let people know, well, I’ll let you tell them. Tell them how they can get [00:32:00] in touch with you and any kind of resources you want to let people know about.

Carol: I am on all the socials, Carol McCracken. There’s a lot of Cs on that last name. M-C-C-R-A-C-K-E-N. So you can Facebook, you can Instagram. I have a website, carol mccracken.com and that’ll keep you apprised of all my latest. Things I, I write, I speak find me. I’d love to friend you and one of the best things and what I enjoy, you mentioned the podcasts, they’re my favorite things.

Carol: Our mutual friend Jennifer Slattery, is just the best ever and we have some of the best conversations that podcast Faith Over Fear is we have guests like us. That’s the thing where faith triumphs over fear. You don’t have to live enslaved to fear. And then as I. I love the word and however I can open people’s eyes to the word.

Carol: One of the methods is the Your Daily Bible verse, and it’s a team of six of us with different [00:33:00] perspectives, and I’d love for you to tune in and see what you think.

Kelly: thanks so much, Carol, for being here. And for our listeners, wherever you are in your season of life right now. I pray you know that this is not the end of your story. God is busy doing a new thing and he is with you and for you and all of his love and power right now, right here today. God bless.

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