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Finding Hope and Healing When Life Breaks You: Darlene Larson

Darlene: [00:00:00] Darlene. I’m praying for your faith that it does not fail you. And once you have worked through this, you will get back at it.

Darlene: And it was like a home run hit. When she said that verse, I went home, wrote it in my Bible, and it was like God saying, okay. So Darlene grieve more and keep at it, and

Darlene: After you’ve wept buckets, you speak the truth, God, you are with me. God, you say right here, you’ve searched me. You know me.

Welcome to the Unshakable whole podcast, where real life intersects redeeming love. I’m Kelly Hall, and this is where we wrestle through faith questions such as, how do I trust God’s heart when his ways and delays are breaking mind? We’ll hear from people just like you and me who have experienced God’s faithfulness when life didn’t unfold as they expected my prayers, that God would renew our hope and his word and his love through these [00:01:00] conversations.

Kelly: Hey friends. I am so grateful you’re here On this podcast, we often talk about ways to cultivate and nurture hope in times of loss and grief. If you feel like you’re walking through a valley right now, I pray this podcast would bring healing and restoration to some areas of your heart that really need a fresh breath of life from the Lord.

Kelly: And maybe that’s not where you are right now, but I truly believe this conversation will equip and empower us as we walk alongside others who are hurting, others who are walking through valleys of loss. So let me introduce you to my guest. Darlene Larson has been on this podcast before, but she is someone who has faced more valleys than most.

Kelly: There’s been emotional abuse, two divorces, betrayal. Foreclosure surgeries, infertility and family deaths. Yet out of this pain, she has risen with a message of courage and faith. In [00:02:00] her new book Leading You Through the Valley, Darlene Equips readers to wrestle with grief, honestly, to cry out to God boldly and to find his compassion in the very places they’ve been wounded.

Kelly: The most. Darlene is a certified grief loss and life purpose coach and an inspirational keynote speaker. Her life is proof. That no valley is too deep for God’s healing. Darlene, thank you for being here. I’m so grateful you’re, able to join me today.

Darlene: Kelly, it’s an honor and a delight to be here. Thank you and God bless you and your podcast.

Kelly: Oh, thank you. Well, I know you’re someone who is intimately familiar with loss, and with the grief of unanswered prayers as your story didn’t unfold the way you expected. In fact, in your book, you say if you reviewed a grief loss checklist, you would be able to check off about 50 of the 73 indicators. And first of all, I just wanna say I’m so sorry that that’s true of your [00:03:00] story, but I’m wondering if you could just take us through some portions of your deep heartache and help us understand, where you’re coming from.

Darlene: I’ll be glad to Kelly. Well, my journey really with the Lord, I jumped in in my early twenties and got my degree and God got me. And so I was like, okay Lord, what’s this all about? How are we gonna do life? So anyway, eventually a few years later I married and God knows how to grow our roots if we trust him and lean in and stay in the word.

Darlene: So newly married a few years, began to experience years of infertility. And that was, okay, God, I’m gonna trust you. And I did a Hannah prayer and learned to pour my heart out. And little did I realize, Kelly, that was really the beginning for me to grow deep roots. Here I was, young, married and a new believer, just a few years before I married, and I chose to be a woman of the word chose to jump into the word and thought, okay.

Darlene: I’m like Hannah, so I will pour [00:04:00] my heart out and, uh, grow with God and pray. Psalm 13, how long? Oh Lord, how long? So to fast forward in my journey in that marriage, it was year 22 of, um, a 27 year marriage. Uh, that when God pulled back the veil and it was at the funeral home when I lost my brother at the age of 40, he was, um, heart attack.

Darlene: That I stood there and I knew all of my siblings were going forward in life, but for the life of me, I wasn’t going forward. I just couldn’t figure out, couldn’t figure out my marriage. What was wrong? Well, it was year 22 when God began to show me terms in books that I studied and read of what covert abuse and narcissism was, and everything I read about being ignored and blamed and criticized is what I experienced for.

Darlene: Over a quarter of a century in supposedly a Christian marriage. So saying all that during my brother’s death, um, I had just [00:05:00] lost my father too. So two heart attacks to two dearly loved ones. God pulled out every drawer of my heart and said, it’s time you deal with some of your stuff. So I dealt with my own jealousy, anger, um, just didn’t get my story.

Darlene: And then God was getting me ready for my purpose and my calling. To address address me first and, uh, shortly after that, I began light purpose coaching, came out in oh six and just at the beginning of coaching, and I knew that was my call. And the stronger I became as a woman, the worst abuse got. And so.

Darlene: Uh, year 22. It was a year after I knew my life purpose. I headed into counseling and as I became stronger as a woman with a voice, the abuse became got worse. And so I knew the next level of abuse was physical. Well. That wasn’t gonna happen. I entered counseling and I gave that marriage all I had. And um, and he entered counseling.

Darlene: But you can only choose to [00:06:00] change one person. So within that time period of me exposing our marriage collapsing, and within a time period of 40 days, I lost last parent. My mom, my marriage collapsed. He walked out as well as my. Three teenagers move followed and moved out as well, and our house was swept into foreclosure because I also was financially abused.

Darlene: And so that tsunami of grief and loss of being a daughter, of being a spouse, of being a 24 7 mom, which I considered that role so important, and a homeowner was all taken. And so I had to grieve and learn a new normal of how to do life. I had already grown through a lot of healing, even though I was still in the abuse.

Darlene: But, it was a relief to no longer be ignored. And so I continued growing and then several years later, I was doing what God had called me to do speaking and coaching, [00:07:00] and my books were just beginning to come out. Kelly, the first three. Enabled me Lord to shift. I met a man in my church, a grief loss and a divorce recovery or divorce care leader.

Darlene: After several conversations in a year or two he pursued and proposed in the classroom that I taught women in. And, um, we got married and it was, it was like, if I’m gonna do this again. I am gonna do it so well and love well. And two and a half years into the marriage he said one night, I don’t think I’m committed and you might as well have, he might as well have shot me.

Darlene: And so, uh, staunchly refusing counseling. He literally abandoned me.

Kelly: Wow.

Darlene: And, uh, so that I interrupt,

Kelly: if you don’t mind, just for one second. No, Kelly, go right ahead. That is, it’s so hard to imagine this, this guy who’s in ministry in grief loss counseling, all of this, he looks like. His head is on [00:08:00] straight, his heart is in the right place.

Kelly: That must have felt like such a deep, deep betrayal. And even wondering if you had heard God, why would God allow this to happen? That’s just hard.

Darlene: You, it was, um, you know, I, I share the abuse almost took my life and um, but this almost took my faith. Because the betrayal was so deep and I had loved deeply, and I had healed so much to even, uh, desire to stand and marry again I, and to stand and vow without any doubt was incredible for a woman coming out of abuse doubts used on you to stay trapped.

Darlene: So it was an extremely brutal, grueling grief. It was very, very deep and very gut wrenching. Season of my life. So the book Leading You through the Valley that we’re gonna talk about that is sharing pieces of how to grieve and how to work through, um, the loss Kelly that I experienced during that [00:09:00] time, as well as other women’s stories.

Darlene: So, you know, I, I wanna encourage the listeners. My story is heavy and god has recycled and re and used it. So I don’t want to bury our listeners. I wanna say God is sovereign. God has allowed this in my journey and he’s also helped me to grow deeper roots of faith in him because of it, and I thank him for his faithfulness.

Kelly: Amen. Yes. The book is absolutely beautiful the way it is written. Oh my goodness. You tell a story and you help people sort through their grief and their loss with very telling questions with scripture that is so full of hope. It is. It’s just a beautiful, beautiful resource that you can do individually.

Kelly: Or in a group setting, one of the things that I love so much is you really focus on the tenderness of God’s heart and you, you highlight his heart of [00:10:00] compassion by explaining that Jesus notices pain, even emotional pain. Jesus delivered compassionate comfort to those who were oppressed, who were broken, who were hopeless. I’m wondering if you can just, you know, share some of the hope that came out of that for you, out of these descriptions of Jesus.

Darlene: Well, really this book with that passage took root in my heart probably.

Darlene: 20, maybe 25 years ago when a pastor preached it. I was, I know this day where I was sitting in the church, had my same Bible that’s right here beside me open, and he talked on this passage in Matthew 9 35 38, and I wanna read it just a few of the verses. Jesus was going through all the cities and villages teaching their synagogues, proclaiming the gospel, the kingdom healing, every kind of disease and every kind of sickness.

Darlene: But verse 36. Jesus had perception. And verse [00:11:00] 36 says, seeing the people, he felt compassion. And that in the Greek is called Splunk, NA excuse my pronunciation. I did the best there. But it’s Splunk, it’s compassion and it means inner gut, v feeling. And so he had compassion for them because they were distressed.

Darlene: They were dispirited like sheep without a shepherd. And. When pastor, uh, Bob preached on that, he talked about the perception Jesus had, that he sees people, he sees when they’re hurting. Now Kelly, I’m sitting in the abuse at that time. Now, no one knew my story. I couldn’t even figure that out, but I hurt so bad emotionally, so I thought, okay, Jesus, you see me, you see I’m hurting.

Darlene: So what is it? What am I living? What is this? I kept trying harder, so God did lead me out and so that this passage took deep roots while I was in the abuse. Then the very first chapter where I talk about [00:12:00] Jesus sees, that’s a Genesis 16 where I owned that promise that Jesus saw me like Hagar. He saw me when I was walking on our trails of pine trees, weeping on my hands and knees praying.

Darlene: God help me survive. Whatever I’m living in. I don’t get this. He was faithful. He saw me, and when I prayed for direction and help to get whatever this was, I needed help. I needed a woman. He led me to my own coach when I went through coach training and he, he cleared the path for me. Step by step, led me to my first therapist, led me to people that understood covert narcissism when they say they’re a Christian, what that is, and how to get help.

Darlene: And so Kelly. This whole passage that I share all the way through the book about it’s, it’s woven into me. I mean, I am. It’s because of this passage that I wrote this book. It’s because of this passage that I’m healed and I’m on the other side and through. And I want [00:13:00] others to know, no matter your grief loss, whatever it is, he will lead you through it.

Darlene: But you have to be willing, you have to be a participant, and there’s no magic wand. He wants you to want him.

Kelly: Yeah. Oh, that’s so powerful. Gosh. Well, I know that you struggled after that second divorce to know if you should even continue your ministry. And I, we see so many people who have walked through pain, women, ministers and marriages dissolve, and then they.

Kelly: Kind of get this message that they should step outta ministry, which is not the Lord’s, not what God is saying. So how did you hear God’s voice over the voices of others or over you, your own critical self-talk in that time?

Darlene: Well, this was, that time was about nine months after, um, the divorce was final, the second divorce which I am a woman of the word, and I believe in a vow.

Darlene: So the first marriage I hung on for all I was worth [00:14:00] for 27 years. Didn’t want that one. I wanted it turned around, but you can only change yourself. So when this second pending divorce hit me and then it went through, I to me was, I’m on the bottom rung of the latter of life. Um, I just could not believe God allowed this because of who I am.

Darlene: And. I’m a responsible human being. I, I am a person that’s trustworthy and for someone to, um, do what was done is so polar opposite of who I am and to break God’s principle. So what I’ve learned is, um, many times things will happen in our life. That’s against everything we stand for, but we either trust God with it or, you know, we get, we get bitter.

Darlene: And so. With that, Kelly. It was nine months after I was on my, I was on my own and I’m trying to think how that was. I was on my own and moved out and, the cloud was [00:15:00] heavy and when I say the cloud is, it was hanging over my head. It was March, Christmas, it happened.

Darlene: I’d experienced my first. Going through memories, going through it on my own in a new apartment, bitter cold. The tears wouldn’t stop and I thought, I need to get back into counseling. I need to head right back to who I need to go see. Who knew my story well, but I also had a woman that was my first therapist and um, they were.

Darlene: In the same building. It was just how God brought him into my life. And I knew she had followed me and knew my story well. And so I saw two of them back to back. And since she is had known me from the beginning, she spoke into my life and said, absolutely, don’t you dare stop. Don’t allow what he’s done to stop you.

Darlene: The shame was howling. Howling. Pretty strong that you’re worthless, Darlene, I mean, to have this done to you. And so what she said to me that day, [00:16:00] very clearly is Darlene, you know, there’s a verse, and I believe it’s in Luke, she said and I wrote about it and it’s you know, where God tells and I believe it’s Peter, once you’re strengthened, get back in it.

Darlene: Well, she didn’t know it when she spoke that verse to me. She had no idea. Because I left that counseling office, went home, grabbed my Bible, and my mentor had spoken that verse into my life like, like 10 months before. That is Darlene. I’m praying for your faith that it does not fail you. And once you have worked through this, you will get back at it.

Darlene: And it was like a home run hit. When she said that verse, I went home, wrote it in my Bible, right, where my mentor Pat had said, and it was like God saying, okay. Okay, so Darlene grieve more and keep at it, and so that’s what I have done and chosen to forgive and to keep forgiving and going forward. Kali?

Darlene: Yes. Oh, that

Kelly: is so powerful. I [00:17:00] love how that verse just spoke, not only healing over your heart, but it spoke purpose and an ongoing calling.

Darlene: Mm-hmm. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, God has led me to passages. I know my passages he wants me to stand on, but what I learned with this grief, with this betrayal is the cloud does come.

Darlene: That that cloud that people talk about, it really does come and it hangs over you. And during that time, the waiting was grueling. And not just the waiting, but also the silence. From God. And those are big pieces in grief and loss. And it’s, do you trust God in the silence? And that is one of my chapters about about silence and waiting and listening for God.

Darlene: And that he is in the silence. He is there. Yes. So that, that was all a very grueling time, but very affirming, uh, coming out of that therapist’s office that day. Yeah.

Kelly: Yeah. That is just, it’s such a powerful [00:18:00] message that we need to keep repeating to ourselves that even when it seems like God is absent, he’s never abandoned us.

Kelly: Even when it seems like he’s not working. He is actively working in every way behind the scenes in ways we can’t even imagine, to bring restoration and redemption and healing to our souls. We know it’s true. That’s what the word tells us. He will never leave us our forsa us. That’s just a powerful foundational truth to hang on to.

Kelly: In our deepest sorrow. In times when, God, it feels like God’s abandoned us. Let’s just talk a little bit more about this. How we can continue to seek the Lord’s presence and to seek his comfort even when we don’t feel like it.

Kelly: How do we just establish maybe a kind of rhythm of coming to the Lord when we feel like that’s the last thing in the world we wanna do?

Darlene: Well, that is where you choose to have your date and meet with the Lord no matter what. Because if there’s any time the enemy wants to get [00:19:00] in is right, then Kelly, it’s right then.

Darlene: Yeah. It’s when you start doubting, he’s there. You’re doubting. Why did you allow this? Because truly this time the balance scale of do I dare trust you, God again. I mean, I so trusted you, God on this one. And it’s like, whoa. So with, with the deep grief, and when it’s silent, you have to put aside the feelings and wrestle the anger, the disappointment to, to God in front of God.

Darlene: But what starts changing? Your heart and your mind. After you’ve wept buckets, after you’ve spewed out, the anger, the hatred, the grueling gut, wrenching pain, and as you begin to continue to speak the truth, you know, God, you are with me. God, you say right here, you’ve searched me. You know me. You won’t know when I’m sitting down, you know, when I stand up.

Darlene: And you [00:20:00] start over and over saying, God, you hear me? Because it says it God, you, you are for me and you have a plan with my life. So you go on the offense. There comes a time and I talk about we are to grieve, but we also have to learn to receive. That’s where we start opening our hands up and receive the truth.

Darlene: Many women get stuck right in there because women. Women like to many times tell others what to do, but when they come to receiving from themselves and being in a posture of humility to say, you know what, I can’t do this. I need everything you can give me, Lord, and whoever you wanna give me to help me bring em on in, you know, and to really open our hands, palm up.

Darlene: Go on the offense though. When we go on the offense and start speaking the promises of truth over us, it’s going to start shifting your heart away from the loss, away from the grief and realizing God’s bigger. But you have to choose to start [00:21:00] moving in that direction and attaching to the heart of God and keeping your eyes on who God is, the heart of God.

Darlene: Your pain begins to lessen. You begin to shrink. The questions of why, how come now? That’s a chapter Kelly in the book, why God? Well, Jesus asked, why So we’re human? To ask? Why? Why in the world did you allow this? Why did I fall in love so hard and trusted so deeply? Why God? And so those are questions we all ask.

Darlene: And how did we miss this? Or on and on we can go. That’s a whole nother, uh, part of the grief that you have to work through. I think that’s important, Kelly, is that you have to want it, you have to wanna get through grief. Yeah, you have to want more. And I really think too many a times we minimize God. We think God should come to our level and play on our field of life.

Darlene: I don’t want God playing on [00:22:00] my field of life because I’m, I’m way think too small. I want what God wants, and I chose to marry again because I believed God had more for me and this was a part of it. Well, God did have more for me. It’s just not how I thought it was gonna play out. And I knew I would be writing a grief loss book someday.

Darlene: I didn’t go through infertility, three adoptions, home foreclosure bankruptcy for nothing, and I thought, I will be writing a grief loss. I just never expected it would be the way it was unfolded. Oh,

Kelly: yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So unexpected. Ugh. One of the things that I, that you mentioned that I think is so powerful is declaring God’s word out loud in his presence really does change our mind. It changes in our brain. And when we pray, like the Hannah Prayer that you talked about, what you’re talking about is [00:23:00] pouring out your heart like Hannah did in First Samuel chapter one. She poured out her grief in that prayer, and God met her there.

Kelly: Restored her heart and filled her heart with hope that he was working. Even though she didn’t know the timing or the plan exactly, she was filled with hope because she told God the truth about everything she was feeling. And one of the verses that I would often declare when my heart was breaking and nothing in our life made sense at all was Psalm 27, 13 and 14, when I would just walk around my basement and just say.

Kelly: God, I know that I’m gonna see your goodness even in this dark valley. I know I’m gonna see who you are displayed right in front of me. So I’m gonna be strong and courageous, and I’m gonna wait on you with expectation that I’m gonna see you in this place because it’s, it’s heals us so much to know that God sees.

Kelly: But to believe the truth that we will see God’s hand if we allow him to [00:24:00] open our eyes to his activity in our life is another step in that process of healing.

Darlene: Mm-hmm. You are so right. You are so right and really it’s trusting him, Kelly in it. Yeah. And it’s trusting him in the wait. And I think that’s one of the hardest things that we have to face and work through is, um, classrooms of waiting.

Darlene: Because we want what we want, when we want, and usually it’s right now. Yeah. And with grief and loss grief takes time. It takes time. And we, everybody’s grief is a different timetable and we don’t, uh, put on our calendar, okay, today I’m going to grieve. That’s not how it works. It just isn’t. And so you’ve got to be willing to work through it.

Darlene: To go to the pain, feel the pain, express it, and then really to turn and say, I want more. I want, I want it to be used, and I’m ready to go however you [00:25:00] want it to be. God.

Kelly: Yeah, and the lie that gets into our souls from the enemy and just from what we see, what we perceive is when we look at the heartache, we just tend to connect it to a lie about who God is, and we tend to believe the lie that God has abandoned us.

Kelly: That’s really at the core of our struggle so often that we’ve been abandoned by him. We know everything you’ve been saying, just reiterates that truth, that delays are not evidence of God’s absence. They’re just a part of the journey and he is still with us and he’s still working.

Darlene: Absolutely.

Darlene: Absolutely. Delays. You know, delays are the time to really choose to meet the Lord and go deep. It really is. Yeah. Psalm 13. How long, oh, Lord. How long? If I would, Kelly, if I would not have had years of infertility, I don’t know if I could have made it out of my out of de abuse alive because I [00:26:00] chose to be a woman of the word and stay in the word all those years waiting for children and how God would bring me my three children.

Darlene: And so that was God’s beginning. I knew he was taking me deep. But I didn’t get it until many years later of why he was rooting me deep because, so I could stand what I lived in.

Kelly: Wow, that that’s an important point too, is that we can so often look back and see how God prepared us for some of the suffering.

Kelly: But you keep saying, which I think is such a powerful prayer, God, don’t waste my pain. We don’t want it to be wasted. And out of that loss, you developed habits you developed habits of being in the word and understanding that we are actually strengthened through God’s spirit in the Word, and you experienced it and so you are prepared, and I know you’ve just spent so much time counseling other women and bringing hope.

Kelly: Them. Psalm 1 47 is one, one of the verses that brings us hope in times of [00:27:00] loss, God heals the broken hearted and he binds up their wounds. It’s just such a personal description. God is always pursuing our hearts to minister deep, inner healing for these wounds that we’ve experienced in life. I wonder if you have, I don’t know, maybe another example or more you wanna say about that.

Darlene: I am, I’m right there with you with that. The broken hearted, my heart, I would say it was slaughtered in the abuse. God healed it, and yet it was broken, wide open wide open again with, with the betrayal of the second marriage. And he brought it back together and knitted it together stronger. Kelly.

Darlene: Stronger and more bolder and courageous than ever. And when I think of heart, I also think of Proverbs 4 23. Above all else, guard your heart for it’s the wellspring of life. And being a creative and wanting [00:28:00] books to come forth out of me, it’s really important that my wellspring is, is healthy.

Darlene: And my, well springs my heart. And I was told by that female counselor years ago, if I chose to get bitter, God would put me on the shelf. And Kelly, I chose many years ago, I couldn’t waste the pain. Mm. Mm-hmm. And, and I chose right there when she told me that, that I would not get bitter. I can’t, I can’t afford to get bitter.

Darlene: So when I wanted to. I, I was on my knees pouring it out to God and weeping buckets for, uh, many, many, many months and years in the abuse. And then the other, uh, the betrayal, that was a huge gut grief of groaning that I’ve never experienced before in my life. Hmm.

Kelly: Yes. I used to say at church, I wish we had a groaning room so I could just go [00:29:00] in the back and let out my loudest, deepest groans before the Lord, because sometimes that is good, you know, that

Darlene: is good. And you know, he knows because, uh, wasn’t, isn’t there a verse in Romans about. He knows when we groan and when we, I mean, he knows everything about us.

Darlene: And so I think, um, that goes with that. So, yeah. That’s beautiful.

Kelly: Well, I always think about the fact that Jesus empty grave. I mean, that was the best groans to glory story that we have in scripture. Mm-hmm. And that’s the kind of life God wants to build into us. He wants to build his glory out into our groans, and so we know redemption’s coming.

Kelly: That’s our hope. Our pain will not be wasted. I love the ways that God has redeemed your story. I wonder if you have any, I know that you counsel so many women and you see breakthroughs all the time in women’s lives. Without violating a confidence. Is there anything that you could share as another story from your [00:30:00] ministry?

Kelly: Well, in the book,

Darlene: There are eight women stories in leading you through the valley. And I think of the, oh my goodness, there’s so many, the cancer survivor and her story. I think of, the woman who’s lost her pastor her husband. Through a sex addict and he committed suicide. And these women who have, who have we, who have grieved women who want more for their life and they may not be, lemme give you an example.

Darlene: They may not be some of the bigger traumatic, like what I just shared, suicide cancer, they may be. Women who were, and I have a lot of these women, Kelly, that were sexually abused somewhere along in their story raped or childhood sexual abuse. And they grow up and they still, they’re physically, you know, a woman adult now, but they haven’t healed the emotional abuse that has, that came when they were, uh, [00:31:00] sexually abused as a child.

Darlene: ’cause emotional abuse comes with it. And because that’s the area that I’m an expert in with emotional abuse clock, the years and hours. Yeah. Um, that, that area trips women up a lot, and especially with grief and loss, it comes back in. It’s like, why can’t I grow past this emotional. Woundedness of wanting to cower or to shrink down when God’s calling them out.

Darlene: And so I find great joy in helping women bust through that barrier because if anyone wants to say they were emotionally almost flattened, you can just say, sign me up. Because I, I was so whittled down, I didn’t know if I could ever learn again. Kelly, that’s how far I was whittled down. So the emotional part is sneaky and that gets in there where women wanna milk sadness or something.

Darlene: So when I help women break through limiting beliefs [00:32:00] from abuse of any kind, great joy, um, just seeing women recycle pain to their life purpose and that purpose looks like all different things from a jewelry maker to a musician to horse therapy you know, to authors, speakers. But to so many different school teachers, professors just doing different wherever God’s called them.

Darlene: Yeah. Into the niche of people he’s called them. Mm. Uh, that just is such a delight to watch women. Boom and become, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yes. Yeah. The

Kelly: boldness and courage you see explode that’s what God is doing in our souls as we allow him to heal us from the grief and loss, we’re not stuck. Absolutely.

Kelly: He moves us beyond being stuck to being bold, courageous women of faith.

Darlene: Amen.

Kelly: Amen.

Darlene: Kelly.

Kelly: Beautiful. Yes. Well, I want, I wonder if you could just tell us a little bit about your book and then how women can get in touch with you. Okay. And one thing I wanna say, even before you do is I just [00:33:00] wanna repeat the title again.

Kelly: It’s Leading You Through The Valley, a personalized grief loss coaching book, and this is a book I highly recommend.

Darlene: Oh, thank you Kelly. Appreciate that much. Yes, they can find leading you through the valley. They can just Google it. It’s on Amazon or on my [email protected] or hearts with a purpose.com.

Darlene: Women who want to explore coaching and really recycle any pain to purpose, they can sign up for 20 minutes of complimentary coaching, Kelly and see if I’m the right. Fit of a coach with them to help them soar and become.

Darlene: I’m over there at Hearts with a Purpose and just love to connect. I care about women and God and women becoming all. He’s given

Kelly: them life, Lord. Amen. Amen. That’s so good. Darlene, thank you so much for sharing your time with us today.

Darlene: Thank you, Kelly. It’s been an honor and a joy.

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